Professor and podcaster Christina Greer and MSNBC Prime host Alicia Menendez had what could only be described as an epic meltdown on Wednesday. As the White House has started kicking around various ideas to reverse declining birthrates, the duo insisted that “we know” that their actual intention is to increase the political power of white people.
The whole segment raised the question of just what kind of educating goes on in Greer’s classrooms as she declared, “This administration, and dare I say, the Republican Party writ large, does not tend to care about children once they're outside of the womb.”
She added, “When you say a six-week abortion ban, most women have no idea that they're even pregnant. If they knew anything about women's anatomy, they would know that. And so there's this lack of understanding, but a purposeful lack of understanding for certain people in this administration, and others actually do know the harm that they're causing, and they don't care.”
Greer then made things racial, “And so what's so frustrating and dangerous about this moment is it's couched in this real conservative family values. But we know the overarching theme is this larger conservative ideology of what a family looks like, but also we can't ignore the racial element.”
Adding immigration to the mix, Greer continued, “This has a long-standing history in this country about who should be the dominant group. We know that the president has talked many times about his good genes and his eugenics, and we know that they want/need more white people in this country. This is what the mass deportations are about. We know that the way the rules are set up in this country, only white women can make white men. Only white women can make white babies.”
Greer also insisted that pro-lifers’ true motivations are also racist, “So if that's the case, you have to make sure you defund abortion. You have to make sure you make it illegal and criminal. You have to make sure that you make it as easy as possible for white women specifically to be able to have children, whether it's IVF or whatever it may be, because the idea is to get them back to 100 years ago, when white people are the dominant group.”
Menendez then wondered, “How do you pin them down, though, on that? The fact that restricting abortion access was Jane Crow Part One, and that then incentives to procreate that are very specifically tailored to specific groups are part two. How do you make the subtext textual?”
Greer suggested non-white women call the GOP’s bluff, “What if women of color said, ‘All of these policies that you're making so easy for other women, what if we were all of a sudden interested in.’ I'd be really curious, because we know the overarching fear is that white people will not will not be the dominant group by 2040.
There are still plenty of non-absurd questions you could raise about this idea. For one, how would the White House pay for these new benefits? But, the racial angle is ridiculous. After spending the previous few minutes claiming conservatives just want more white people, Greer claimed even non-white people can further their racist goals, “Now, we also know that you don't have to be white to subscribe to white supremacy. We've seen that quite a bit. But this particular administration has always come in with a very laser-sharp focus on what it means for women in this country, where women should be in this country. It is not in the halls of Congress. It is at home in the family with children, and they’re being as explicit as they possibly can be with these new policies.”
That would be news to all the GOP women in Congress. Whatever one thinks of the natalist movement and its suggestions on their face, it is a fact that one of its leaders in the U.S. is Vice President JD Vance, who has three mixed-race children, but according to MSNBC, it is heads you’re a racist, tails you’re a white supremacist.
Here is a transcript for the April 23 show:
MSNBC Prime
4/23/2025
7:51 PM ET
CHRISTINA GREER: This administration, and dare I say, the Republican Party writ large, does not tend to care about children once they're outside of the womb. They are obsessed with women's wombs, and they know very little about menstrual cycles. It was surprising—
ALICIA MENENDEZ: I know; could everyone actually sit in on that class. Maybe all members of Congress could join them.
GREER: If we have an 8th grade public health class, I beg, because most men you know, when you say a six-week abortion ban, most women have no idea that they're even pregnant.
MENENDEZ: Right.
GREER: If they knew anything about women's anatomy, they would know that. And so there's this lack of understanding, but a purposeful lack of understanding—
MENENDEZ: Yes.
GREER: -- for certain people in this administration, and others actually do know the harm that they're causing, and they don't care. And so what's so frustrating and dangerous about this moment is it's couched in this real conservative family values. But we know the overarching theme is this larger conservative ideology of what a family looks like, but also we can't ignore the racial element.
This has a long-standing history in this country about who should be the dominant group. We know that the president has talked many times about his good genes and his eugenics, and we know that they want/need more white people in this country. This is what the mass deportations are about. We know that the way the rules are set up in this country, only white women can make white men.
Only white women can make white babies. So if that's the case, you have to make sure you defund abortion. You have to make sure you make it illegal and criminal. You have to make sure that you make it as easy as possible for white women specifically to be able to have children, whether it's IVF or whatever it may be, because the idea is to get them back to 100 years ago, when white people are the dominant group.
MENENDEZ: How do you pin them down, though, on that?
GREER: How do we pin—
MENENDEZ: The fact that restricting abortion access was Jane Crow Part One, and that then incentives to procreate that are very specifically tailored to specific groups are part two. How do you make the subtext textual?
GREER: I'm curious if what if black and Latina and Asian women said, “sign me up,” like all these programs that you're offering, let's see if they will still offer them. I mean, we saw this. I mean, I know it's not a one-to one comparison, but we saw with certain gun control, right. When the Black Panther Party said, "Oh, well, you want to have guns, we want to have guns."
All of a sudden we have gun laws, right? And we saw a backpedaling. What if women of color said, "All of these policies that you're making so easy for other women, what if we were all of a sudden interested in."
I'd be really curious, because we know the overarching fear is that white people will not will not be the dominant group by 2040. Now, we also know that you don't have to be white to subscribe to white supremacy. We've seen that quite a bit. But this particular administration has always come in with a very laser-sharp focus on what it means for women in this country, where women should be in this country. It is not in the halls of Congress. It is at home in the family with children, and they’re being as explicit as they possibly can be with these new policies.
