Joy Behar accused former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani of incompetence in handling the lead up to and aftermath of the terrorist attacks of that horrific day. This prompted Rosie to note that Giuliani shipped some of the debris to China, implying the former mayor had evidence to hide. After Behar lashed out at Giuliani for not moving the Command/Control Center out of the World Trade Center after the 1993 bombing, Rosie advanced her conspiracy theory again.
O’DONNELL: Joy, wait a minute, wait a minute. The command control center was in World Trade Center Seven, not in one or two. It was in the building that mysteriously collapsed at 5:30 P.M.
BEHAR: Well, it shouldn’t have been in any of them.
O’DONNELL: It was not in tower one, it was not in tower two that got hit by a plane it was in tower seven that got hit by nothing, 47 floors and dropped at 5:30 into itself.
Token non-liberal Elisabeth Hasselbeck reacted strongly and implicitly called Rosie out on her dumb comment that fire can’t melt steel.
HASSELBECK: There was also internal fire in that building, which can melt steel which was holding up that building.
O’DONNELL: No way Elisabeth.
HASSELBECK: It can weaken it. If you ask physicists alone, the force by nature, the volcanic force alone could have taken that building.
O’DONNELL: 2700 degrees melts steel.
HASSELBECK: And how much does it take to weaken it? I think it’s 270.
O’DONNELL: 270 degrees?
HASSELBECK: I’ll check. I’ll check. I’ll check on that.
O’DONNELL: Well, if you watch all the documentaries --
HASSELBECK: Once steel is weakened, once steel is weakened. It doesn't have to be completely melted.
O’DONNELL: Did you know that there were three pools of molten steel? There was one pool underneath World Trade Center One
For the record, according to Popular Mechanics, steel melts at 2750 degrees Fahrenheit but can weaken at 400 degrees Fahrenheit. Ironically, Rosie, noting the command center was in World Trade Center Seven, unintentionally helped debunk her own conspiracy theory. Popular Mechanics notes:
"Tower 7 housed the city’s emergency command center, so there were a number of fuel tanks located throughout the building—including two 6000-gal. tanks in the basement that fed some generators in the building by pressurized lines. ‘Our working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time,’ according to Sunder."
In an earlier segment, Rosie possibly explained some of her conspiracy theory beliefs, exclaiming her "cult personality," even admitting she’s "five seconds away from drinking the Kool Aid."
ROSIE O’DONNELL: You know, I didn’t ask if they believed in Jesus, but I did read the books because I was fascinated by it, you know. And then Kelli, like, hid them from me, you know.
JOY BEHAR: Why?
O’DONNELL: because she thinks I’m likely to join anything, which is true, you know.
BEHAR: You do have that cult personality.
O’DONNELL: I do. Remember the Jim Jones thing? I’m five seconds away from drinking the Kool Aid singing, "Kumbaya," you know. Honestly, it’s like I have a little bit of that.
Editor's Note (Ken Shepherd): NewsBusters reader Gary Hall, in a comment in my original post, also mentioned a National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) report that deals with the collapse of WTC 7.
The entire transcript is below.
ROSIE O’DONNELL: You know, I didn’t ask if they believed in Jesus, but I did read the books because I was fascinated by it, you know. And then Kelli, like, hid them from me, you know.
JOY BEHAR: Why?
O’DONNELL: because she thinks I’m likely to join anything, which is true, you know.
BEHAR: You do have that cult personality.
O’DONNELL: I do. Remember the Jim Jones thing? I’m five seconds away from drinking the Kool Aid singing, "Kumbaya," you know. Honestly, it’s like I have a little bit of that.
[...]
JOY BEHAR: Well, the one thing is that Giuliani post-9/11 appeared to be very heroic. But now they’re saying that he was not that efficient in helping the people who were the recovery– the responders.
O’DONNELL: Also, he was, you know, instrumental in making sure that all of the steel was removed and shipped to Canada right away, Giuliani– was shipped to China, sorry, right away.
BEHAR: For what purpose?
O’DONNELL: Well, to get it out of there and to have, you know, all of the stu -- but it was all gone. So there was no like metal to test. There was no, there was no-
ELISABETH HASSELBECK: Giuliani was involved in the cover-up is that what's going on? I just want to check.
[...]
BEHAR: But, according to what I’ve been reading, they told Giuliani to take the command/control center out of the World Trade Center, because it’s a target, maybe they’ll try again. Everybody told them to do that. He did not listen. He kept it in the World Trade Center. So, when they attacked the World Trade Center, the command/control Center went up with it. And now wait a minute, do you know where it is now?
O’DONNELL: Joy, wait a minute, wait a minute. The command control center was in World Trade Center Seven, not in one or two. It was in the building that mysteriously collapsed at 5:30 P.M.
BEHAR: Well, it shouldn’t have been in any of them.
O’DONNELL: It was not in tower one, it was not in tower two that got hit by a plane it was in tower seven that got hit by nothing, 47 floors and dropped at 5:30 into itself.
HASSELBECK: There was also internal fire in that building, which can melt steel which was holding up that building.
O’DONNELL: No way Elisabeth.
HASSELBECK: It can weaken it. If you ask physicists alone, the force by nature, the volcanic force alone could have taken that building.
O’DONNELL: 2700 degrees melts steel.
HASSELBECK: And how much does it take to weaken it? I think it’s 270.
O’DONNELL: 270 degrees?
HASSELBECK: I’ll check. I’ll check. I’ll check on that.
O’DONNELL: Well, if you watch all the documentaries --
HASSELBECK: Once steel is weakened, once steel is weakened. It doesn't have to be completely melted.
O’DONNELL: Did you know that there were three pools of molten steel? There was one pool underneath World Trade Center One
HASSELBECK: I read all the conspiracy theories on this. I know that, that’s what they’re saying.
O’DONNELL: So you labeled it a conspiracy. I’m just telling you there was a fact. There’s a fact that there was molten steel under those three buildings.
HASSELBECK: And it is also a fact that volcanic pressure alone could take the building down.
O’DONNELL: The volcanic pressure of what volcano?
HASSELBECK: The pressure alone of those two buildings coming down.
BEHAR: The bomb, she’s saying the bomb.
HASSELBECK: I'm saying the bomb, the force of the other two.
O’DONNELL: Wait, the bomb? You're saying the plane.
BEHAR: The plane, the plane, the plane. The explosion
HASSELBECK: The force of the other two buildings coming down could alone take that building down.
O’DONNELL: Do you know how fast it took those towers to fall?
HASSELBECK: I don’t have the exact time on me.
O’DONNELL: Nine seconds. Do you know how fast it would taken something to free fall with no resistance from the top of that building? Nine seconds. It’s physically impossible.
